Monday, February 18, 2008
i'm like a sniper, hyper off the ginseng brew:
I just interviewed George fucking McGovern. I'm not going to lie: I think that's pretty cool. McGovern, whatever his faults, was definitely Too Hot For The U.S. Senate. According to Robert Sam Anton's 1972 campaign biography, just before McGovern's 1971 attempt with Senator Mark Hatfield to de-fund the war failed, McGovern said on the Senate floor, "Every Senator in this chamber is partly responsible for sending 50,000 young Americans to an early grave. This chamber reeks of blood." You can't say that shit!

And here he is in a Playboy interview with Milton Viorst:
Viorst: I suppose that Nixon would like to make the late Ho Chi Minh into the Vietnam Hitler. Are you suggesting he might be the North Vietnam George Washington?

McGovern: That's right.
And he was right! Ho was unquestionably the father of Vietnam in exactly the way Washington was the father of the United States! (Except Ho didn't have like thirty goddamn dicks.) And yet you can't say that sort of thing, because the Bill Kristols will excoriate you and the Mike O'Hanlons will tsk-tsk you. But like the Pope said to the Gdansk shipyard strikers, we need not be afraid.
--Spencer Ackerman
McGovern? Cool.
Blogger Noah Deuce | 1:24 PM

Yes, he's just like George Washington, only if George Washington had decided to start a land reform program that led to the starvation of a bunch of landowners, then he had tortured those that didn't go along, then he waged guerilla warfare that included killing a LOT of Tory civilians. Then (dying before the Revolutionary war ended) his successors proceeded to establish a dictatorship, kill a lot more Tory civilians, and intern some of GW's early revials. If Washington was like that, then Ho Chi Minh would be a lot like him.
Blogger Jamie | 1:43 PM

Sigh. It's not the content of Ho's character that's the point, Jamie. It's his singularity in the development of Vietnam. Are you truly that obtuse?
Blogger spencerackerman | 4:33 PM

Who says it's not about character? The contrast with Hitler suggests 'good guy, as opposed to evil guy'.

I would also challenge 'in exactly the same way'. George Washington became the father of his country in a Lockean way. Ho did it in a Leninist way.
Blogger David Tomlin | 10:03 PM